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Post by xti on Oct 21, 2013 19:49:21 GMT -6
Anybody wanna help me install my new wideband on Wednesday? I need to get it installed ASAP so I can finish logging for the final revision of my TP tune.
I've never installed any gauge on any car, so I have no idea what I'm doing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 20:36:33 GMT -6
Not sure what my night will be like with work being so random lately, but I should be able to help you. If you already have the bung welded and ready to go to install the wideband in your downpipe then we should be good to go. Shoot me a PM and I'll give you my number. Also, do you have a pod to mount the gauge in?
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Post by xti on Oct 22, 2013 5:32:52 GMT -6
I'll be getting the bung welded in earlier in the day on wed. I have an A-Pillar pod already installed, just waiting for a gauge to go in it, lol. We'll literally just have to run the wires and hook everything up.
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Post by memmek2k on Oct 22, 2013 8:19:48 GMT -6
Should be able to lend a hand if you need it. Need any tools or anything?
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Post by xti on Oct 22, 2013 10:56:39 GMT -6
I don't think I need tools, but then again, I don't really know what I'm doing so....
Also, does anybody have any solid info on the proper location for the o2 bung? I've read so many things that conflict, I don't really know what the best answer is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 10:58:42 GMT -6
Crap!!!! I completely forgot about my buddy going to Gateway on Wednesday. I already told him I would help him prep the car before we go Wednesday night. xti I won't be able to help you Wednesday now. Can we shoot for Friday or Saturday? That or memmek2k can probably help you if he has the time.
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Post by memmek2k on Oct 22, 2013 11:03:43 GMT -6
Never done it before, but I imagine we can figure it out pretty easily. If it's where the bung on my wideband-less downpipe is, should be cake. Would just need an allen wrench for the bung plug (lol), and then whatever wrenches the wideband takes. Plus maybe some screwdrivers to pull interior bits to get the wires where you want them.
The bung on mine is just behind the bellmouth. I would think it doesn't matter too much, as long as the exhaust gas is well mixed by that point, and you don't have any exhaust leaks ahead of it. Just need to do some logging with throttle position to get a feel for how long the delay is between the MAF, injectors, and wideband. If Eric at TP has no preference, I would personally side with "easier to service" location in the engine bay, rather than on the bottom of the car where it's liable to get knocked off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 11:11:40 GMT -6
Agreed. If it is in the bellmouth then it should be cake and the the gases are well mixed when they reach that point. Also, when you log data it will be MUCH more accurate than what you see on the gauge as the gauge has a bit of delay sometimes from what you're reading directly from the sensor. I just zip-tied my Innovate controller to the brake lines along the back of the firewall for easy access when you have to recalibrate the sensor. You'll just need to find 12v constant (direct battery connection), 12v switched (use a fuse tap on the interior fuse block), and a good ground without anything else on it. Don't use the head unit connections as they throw noise into the readings and can mess up your data reads. You'll have a switch as well that's used to trip the controller for calibration. I just tucked mine up under the steering column to avoid accidentally tapping it. The wires for the gauge are pretty long so you shouldn't have any trouble mounting it.
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Post by xti on Oct 22, 2013 11:30:26 GMT -6
Agreed. If it is in the bellmouth then it should be cake and the the gases are well mixed when they reach that point. Also, when you log data it will be MUCH more accurate than what you see on the gauge as the gauge has a bit of delay sometimes from what you're reading directly from the sensor. I just zip-tied my Innovate controller to the brake lines along the back of the firewall for easy access when you have to recalibrate the sensor. You'll just need to find 12v constant (direct battery connection), 12v switched (use a fuse tap on the interior fuse block), and a good ground without anything else on it. Don't use the head unit connections as they throw noise into the readings and can mess up your data reads. You'll have a switch as well that's used to trip the controller for calibration. I just tucked mine up under the steering column to avoid accidentally tapping it. The wires for the gauge are pretty long so you shouldn't have any trouble mounting it. I got a PLX DM-6 SM-AFR combo, it doesn't ever require recalibration. That's actually one of the reasons I decided against the Innovate LC-1. The only reason I was hesitant about putting it in the bell mouth is because I've heard you can fry the sensor in a couple of months putting it that close to the turbo. But then, I've heard of guys running it for a year in that location and not burning the sensor at all...I dunno. Have you had any problems with it being that close? I'm having the bung welded in tomorrow on my lunch break, so I can put it wherever I decide is best. Good call on not using the dead unit connections, I saw a lot of people erroneously recommending that online.
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Post by memmek2k on Oct 22, 2013 12:59:36 GMT -6
Do you still have a heat shield or a turbo blanket? That might be useful.
Otherwise, as long as it's higher quality than the stock O2 sensor, I don't see an issue. That one's before the turbo, so EGT should be higher there, right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 13:14:38 GMT -6
I got a PLX DM-6 SM-AFR combo, it doesn't ever require recalibration. That's actually one of the reasons I decided against the Innovate LC-1. The only reason I was hesitant about putting it in the bell mouth is because I've heard you can fry the sensor in a couple of months putting it that close to the turbo. But then, I've heard of guys running it for a year in that location and not burning the sensor at all...I dunno. Have you had any problems with it being that close? I'm having the bung welded in tomorrow on my lunch break, so I can put it wherever I decide is best. Good call on not using the dead unit connections, I saw a lot of people erroneously recommending that online. Very nice! I've had my Innovate a couple years now so I haven't looked at AFR gauges recently. I'll have to look at that one in the future. Honestly, most O2 sensors don't care about where they're located. Like memmek2k said, as long as it is as good (or better) than stock then you should be fine. My Innovate LC-1 uses a standard Bosch 5-wire O2 sensor which is pretty tolerant to high temperature. That said, you can put it pretty well wherever you want. I put my sensor bung about 12 inches down from the the line where the bellmouth meets the polished stainless and made sure it's in the open area of the downpipe so I can easily get to it when I need to change/calibrate it. As long as you put it on the high side or top half of the pipe (so condensation doesn't run down the pipe and hit it) then you should be good. I'll snap a pic of mine here in a few and post it up.
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Post by xti on Oct 22, 2013 13:57:13 GMT -6
Thanks, guys!
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